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This is in such poor taste. I'm sure they didn't think of that. Whomever did needs a shot up their ars. There is nothing funny about this situation... it's a tragedy. Even though it isn't Baldwin's fault, he still is going to be haunted by this unfortunate event. sr
ReplyDeleteActually it IS Baldwin's fault. He pointed at nother person and pulled the trigger without checking it. When someone hands you a firearm you ALWAYS check it. No ands, if, or buts.
ReplyDeleteOnce years ago at a gun show I picked up a pistol and pulled the slide back to check it and a live round popped out. Seems some 'activists' had been sneaking around putting live rounds in guns for whatever reason. Had I not checked it I could have easily killed someone.
Baldwin had been trained.
I agreed with Piccolo. One of the hard and fast rules on movie sets, is to NOT point real guns at cast or crew members. There is a high level of safety training in place, (or is supposed to be) to make sure even point blank shots are filmed in such a way so as to put no one in harm's way. Mr. Baldwin failed to be safe.
ReplyDeleteOne other thing. lank cartridges are deadly at close range. They are not toys like a lot of people think.
ReplyDeleteBack in the service I use blank cartridges to decapitate a couple of rattlesnakes. A USGI 5.56 cartrue has more than enough muzzle energy to do that.
He is not responsible for checking it He has other people doing that for him He's an actor not a gun specialist.
ReplyDeleteBesides none of you were actually there so you really can't say what happened. How do you know he just wasn't acting his part and shooting like the director told him to do? It was an accident people.
ReplyDeleteYes HE was PERSONALLY responsible for checking it. The gun world plays by certain safety rules and when someone hands you one you check it even if 225 other people handing it down the line have checked it. No ands, ifs or buts..
ReplyDelete'My husband (or whoever) checked it' does NOT relieve anyone from the responsibility
As far as being a specialist goes, he's had training because Hollywood does a LOT of training. They spend a lot of money training actors in safety, proper handling and use so as to make things look realistic.
There is NO excuse for this 'accident' whatsoever. None. It ALL lands on Baldwin's lap.
Incidentally lanks are dangerous as hell. There have been numerous instances where they have proved fatal. I used to use a 5.56 lank to decapitate rattlesnakes during field problems in the service.
Ok, I understand and appreciate your position and experience with firearms. I'm curious what charges will be filed if any to what people. sr
ReplyDeleteI doubt he'll have more than a parking ticket if that but he could easily be facing negligent homicide.
ReplyDeleteI actually disagree that he is responsible for checking an on-set weapon. That IS the job of the armorer, as many scenes fire blank cartridges. The armorer hands the actor a loaded weapon for those scenes, and is responsible for making sure the weapon is loaded or 'unloaded' as needed.
ReplyDeleteThe actor, though, is NEVER allowed to point a blank gun directly at another cast or crew member. This is where the gentleman in question screwed the pooch. If that one safety rule had been followed, this conversation would not be happening. Even during a 'live fire' scene, or a point blank execution scene, the shot is always, always filmed at an angle that allows it to look right, while never having a functional weapon pointed at a cast member.
I was trained Old School. The ultimate responsibility belongs to the person carrying the weapon.
ReplyDeleteYou are right, though. The armorer is supposed to insure everything is like it is supposed to be and actors are not supposed to point them at each other.
Still the final responsibility for being safe with it is the person with it in their hand.
Indeed it is. I suppose my thought was that an actor who starts manipulating the controls without instruction, is more out of line than one who simply takes the weapon handed to him and uses it exactly as the scene and safety regs dictate.
ReplyDeleteIt is not his to monkey with, rather to maintain 100% trigger and muzzle discipline at all times.
Your argument does hold water IF the actor has been told the weapon is loaded.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure that over the years we have both been handed loaded firearms and been told "The piece is loaded. Be careful."
Still, Old School dictates that ALL guns are always loaded. Baldwin had no business pointing one at anyone.
Incidentally my guess is Baldwin will run his mouth after this is settled saying 'See how easy it is to shoot someone?"
What is interesting to note is I have been around six year old kids that have very been trained not to point a gun at someone.
I don't think we really disagree. We both agree that no live or blank gun should ever be pointed in an unsafe direction. This whole thing could have been avoided by just and only that one change. Who is responsible for what, all becomes academic if he had followed the four rules.
ReplyDeleteYup. The Four Rules.
ReplyDeleteTreat all guns as if they are always loaded.
Never let the muzzle point at anything that you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot.
Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
It's really quite simple