Guilty of at least two of the shootings.
Not based on the evidence that exhonorates him but based on jury tampering. He can only now hope for a hung jury. One person in twelve with the guts enough to do the right thing.
Every single one of the jurors knows what is going to happen if they find Kyle not guilty. There will be riots, the jurors are likely to suffer in some way, either physical violence, vandalism to their homes or by doxxing.
Karen and Ken the jurors are now being faced with two choices.
Do the right thing and find him not guilty and suffer the consequences of having integrity
or
Just throw some dopey kid to the wolves and skulk away pretty much undamaged.
We are now facing trial by mob.
Easily solvable...get rid of the criminal (in)justice system. What good is a system based upon fear? Where's the justice? Vigilante behavior seems to becoming the norm. Could there be a shortage of ropes in the near future? sr
ReplyDeleteOk, I have another thought as a mother. He appears to be a very nice young man, but at the same time he was 17. What is he doing with that kind of weapon in the first place? Also truly why was he there as well? If that was my son there would be no way that I would allow him to be there. At 17 he is still under my guidance and not legally of age to do as he pleases. As parents, we are still legally responsible for him. The circumstances just don't totally add up. There is something missing in the overall picture of this case. I have told my son when he was younger don't look for trouble. sr
ReplyDeleteThe weapon in question is the most common sport/utility rifle on the market today. There are millions out there. The law Kyle posessing the rifle is vague and in PA a boy of 7 can get his own hunting license under the mentored hunting program.
ReplyDeleteThe rifle in question has a bad name because the anti 2nd Amendmant types have villified it. In fact in places it was until recently banned for hunting deer hecause of insufficient muzzle energy. The average PA deer rifle is far more powerful than the small .223 cartridge and is generally used in PA for ground hogs and the like.
In PA you have to be 15 or 16 to hunt alone IIRC. Remember you are looking at things as a suburbanite and not a rural dweller. It makes a BIG difference.
DeleteMy opinion, any young man under 18, his frontal cortex isn't mature yet to handle guns without ego getting in the way. Sure, guns don't harm people, they do. I don't think highly of the type of men who think making a boy a man is by shooting. Being macho doesn't make you a man...but more of a bully. So in Pa you can be 15 or 16 to hunt alone, but 21 to drink.
DeleteWhat the hell was this young man thinking? Not with his brain but with his penis...this too is a deadly weapon. (and you no what I mean). Whether he knew consciously or subconsciously, he was looking for trouble.
What he was doing with any weapon is irrelevant, let alone 'that type' of weapon. True, by law he shouldn't have been carrying it in WI, but that is not the point. The judge has already thrown out the weapon charge on a technicality.
ReplyDeleteWhy he was there is a damned good question. I trust his motives are pure enough, but a person who goes looking for trouble will generally find it. And driving to a town not your own, in a state not your own, with a rifle the law says you should not have... He F'ed around, and he found out.
BUT... None of that matters in the case of determining self defense. The Only things that should be considered are whether the threat had the Ability, the Opportunity, and the Intent to harm Kyle. They did, hands down, and no question. This was a clean shoot. Not only that, but the prosecutor has gone out of his way to foul up the prosecution, and has given the jury a gift of an easy out. Hopefully they will have the guts to take it.
He got lucky the weapons charge was thrown out. As a mother, I want to no why he had that weapon and how did she allow a 17 year old to cross state lines. He is not as lilly white as he makes himself out to be. There's more there which we will probably never know. He may be found not guilty, but now that he is 18, parental guidance will mean nothing. He should have had that before he found himself in this situation. Whether the jury takes this gift is irrelevant. In the back of their minds, they are worried about their families, property, and their own lives. Let's hope we don't have a trial by mob.
DeleteI don't put more weight on a person's opinion because they are a mother, or anything else. I had access to 'that type' of weapon when I was 15. I was trusted to be responsible and safe,nand to know when to use it if needed. My mother didn't like the idea, (still doesn't) but she got over it.
DeleteA 17 year old is not a child.
17 years old by law is still a child. Maybe you were mature at that age, but I guarantee you 98% are not especially in this day and age.
DeleteAlso there are men that are 70 years old that still act like a child. Gee maybe age is irrelevant.
DeleteNo, I wasn't. At least not compared to what I am now. Most of that had less to do with brain development, and more to do with my parents and society allowing me to be irresponsible.
DeleteTake any 17 year old away from his parents and safety net, and throw him on the streets, and he will grow up immediately and be a man. Let a 30 year old live at home at buy his groceries, and he will continue to be a child.
Either that or the 17-year-old will sink or swim on the streets."Let's just leave this alone cuz we can't see eye to eye there ain't no good guy there ain't no bad guy, it's only you and me and we just disagree".---Dave Mason
DeleteThat is the entire point. A homeless 17 year old will either man up and become an independent adult, or he sinks beneath the waves and starves. The same goes for the 30 year old. A boy (age irrelevant) can not become a man until he is forced to be accountable and responsible for himself.
DeleteThe day we each turned 18, we were the same person as the night before. Same with 21, 30, etc. A calendar does not make a functional adult, but the responsibility that they accept.
I think in a twisted way, this trial serves a beneficial purpose in educating young men that dropping the hammer on someone while still a 'minor' does not get you treated as a juvenile. Nope, buckle on your big boy pants, because you will be given the same media-frenzied circus trial as an adult three times your age.
DeleteFor once we agree that this trial will serve as an educational milestone. Maybe even enlighten parents.
DeleteIn all my years, no age has bothered me more than the one coming up in December. I will be 70...yes I will feel no differently at 69 to 70 like you said. It still doesn't sit well with me. 70 sounds old, but mentally I'm in my 30's. 70 isn't in my vocabulary for being young at heart.
P.S. Don't think everyone in that courtroom isn't being watched. There have already been threats made. Look up on internet for information.
ReplyDeleteThat's a given. The jury is tainted and the case should be thrown out if for no other reason.
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